Frank Evenblij and Els Knaapen of Dutch NPO Radio 1 are at the largest and oldest hacker event in the Netherlands. More than three thousand tech enthusiasts will come together at the event site, near Heerhugowaard. They are guests at WHY2025, where WHY stands for "What Hackers Yearn". Wietse, one of our security researchers, is a guest in the podcast. Listen in from the 1:07:00 mark: